multi-pick questions

 in week 13 I enabled the "2 picks required" option in my league.  So far, so good.  I have a few questions about the way this feature works...

1. I enabled the option prior to week 13, can I toggle this feature on and off at will (e.g. 2 picks this week and 1 pick next week)?

2. what happens if someone makes picks for the week and then I change the setting?  Is their pick erased?

3. if 2 players are eliminated in the same week,, does the player who loses 1 of the 2 picks (2 losses total) win a tie breaker over someone who loses both picks (3 losses total)?  I'm using the "last man standing" tie breaker option, how does that work, is the player with 3 losses still eliminated?

Christopher Krolak wrote:

 in week 13 I enabled the "2 picks required" option in my league.  So far, so good.  I have a few questions about the way this feature works...

1. I enabled the option prior to week 13, can I toggle this feature on and off at will (e.g. 2 picks this week and 1 pick next week)?

2. what happens if someone makes picks for the week and then I change the setting?  Is their pick erased?

3. if 2 players are eliminated in the same week,, does the player who loses 1 of the 2 picks (2 losses total) win a tie breaker over someone who loses both picks (3 losses total)?  I'm using the "last man standing" tie breaker option, how does that work, is the player with 3 losses still eliminated?

Hi Chris,

Good questions! You can toggle the option and everything will work except for one thing. When the calculation is made to determine if the player survived the week, if a player makes a 2nd pick before you change it back, the player will be under the two pick rule. I'll try to fix this tonight, its a very easy change. 

Regarding item #3, the total SOV of the two games is added to the overall SOV to determine the winner.  If you have last man standing option, if no player gets both picks correct all players alive at the start of the week are advanced. So I think it would be better for you to not use that option when using the '2 picks required' option. 

Fred 

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers!"

Christopher Krolak wrote:

 in week 13 I enabled the "2 picks required" option in my league.  So far, so good.  I have a few questions about the way this feature works...

1. I enabled the option prior to week 13, can I toggle this feature on and off at will (e.g. 2 picks this week and 1 pick next week)?

2. what happens if someone makes picks for the week and then I change the setting?  Is their pick erased?

3. if 2 players are eliminated in the same week,, does the player who loses 1 of the 2 picks (2 losses total) win a tie breaker over someone who loses both picks (3 losses total)?  I'm using the "last man standing" tie breaker option, how does that work, is the player with 3 losses still eliminated?

Negate what I just said about #2. If you switch back in a subsequent week you'll have to do it early, before picks are made. A player with two picks is how I know that the '2 picks' setting was set for that week. The remedy for a player picking two games before you switch it back would be to go clear out the player's 2nd pick via the page to submit picks for players, or you can ask the player to resubmit their pick.

Fred 

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers!"

can we get the cum SoV values listed on the main standings page so that the players can see how they compare to their components within each bracket?  

When I click over to the SOV standings I can't tell who's in the first place bracket and who's in the 2nd place bracket.

Christopher Krolak wrote:

can we get the cum SoV values listed on the main standings page so that the players can see how they compare to their components within each bracket?  

When I click over to the SOV standings I can't tell who's in the first place bracket and who's in the 2nd place bracket.

Sure, I'll add it to the list. I'll have to think of how to show it in the worst case scenario (leagues that go 21 weeks currently fill up the space). 

Fred 

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers!"

Christopher Krolak wrote:

can we get the cum SoV values listed on the main standings page so that the players can see how they compare to their components within each bracket?  

When I click over to the SOV standings I can't tell who's in the first place bracket and who's in the 2nd place bracket.

FYI, was able to add this tonight.

Fred

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers!"

thanks for the fast response, that SoV total will be very helpful.

I currently have 2 brackets, 3 players left in 1st and 10 players left in second place, and league setup with 2 picks required, can you give me some insight on how the different tie breaker options will play out?

for Lone Survivor option: 

If everyone loses 1 game this next week then all 13 players survive to the next week regardless if they lost 1 or 2 games?

if the 3 players in the top bracket all lose at least one game but some players in the second place bracket survive, how whould that shake out? 

for SoV tie breaker option:

If all 3 players in the first place bracket lose a game this weekend, then champ will be decided by SoV between those 3 players?  And then what happens?  Do all 3 players drop down to the second place bracket or ? 

Christopher Krolak wrote:

thanks for the fast response, that SoV total will be very helpful.

 

I currently have 2 brackets, 3 players left in 1st and 10 players left in second place, and league setup with 2 picks required, can you give me some insight on how the different tie breaker options will play out?

 

for Lone Survivor option: 

If everyone loses 1 game this next week then all 13 players survive to the next week regardless if they lost 1 or 2 games?

No, only those in the 1st place bracket would move forward to the following week.  The players in the 2nd place bracket would drop to the eliminated pool. 

if the 3 players in the top bracket all lose at least one game but some players in the second place bracket survive, how whould that shake out? 

Same as above, the software will move forward all those in the 1st place bracket. Those in the 2nd place bracket who win remain there, the losers are eliminated. 

for SoV tie breaker option:

If all 3 players in the first place bracket lose a game this weekend, then champ will be decided by SoV between those 3 players?  And then what happens?  Do all 3 players drop down to the second place bracket or ? 

If there are no players remaining in the 1st place bracket (due to everyone having at least one loss), the season ends and the the standings follow the standard tie-breaker, which is most wins followed by SOV. So it would be possible for a player still alive in the 2nd place bracket to win 1st if they have a higher SOV than a player who drops from the 1st place bracket.

CORRECTION. The last sentence above is NOT correct. The players who were in the 1st place bracket take priority, so the winner will be the player who was in the 1st place bracket with the highest SOV! I've updated the rules page to cover this case.

See responses above in blue.  I updated the Survivor Pool Rules page to provide more details.

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I have my tie breaker set at "last man standing" with 2 picks needed per week.

For week 16 it looks like the 1st place bracket evaluated using "last man tie breaker" but  the 2nd place bracket evaluated with an SoV tie breaker.  Is that the expected behavior?

Christopher Krolak wrote:

I have my tie breaker set at "last man standing" with 2 picks needed per week.

For week 16 it looks like the 1st place bracket evaluated using "last man tie breaker" but  the 2nd place bracket evaluated with an SoV tie breaker.  Is that the expected behavior?

At first glance of your Standings I thought it was correct, but it can't be. The reason is that Diane K. has no chance to win 2nd place bracket, and should instead be in the eliminated bracket. One of your top three players will eventually win 2nd place since they have more wins than Diane (the number of wins is technically the 1st tie-breaker, then SOV). I'll fix this today. 

Fred

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers!"

Ok, got'er fixed. The prior software made sure at least one player was in the 2nd place bracket, which isn't necessary if there are more than 1 player in the 1st place bracket. 

Fred 

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers!"

Christopher Krolak wrote:

OK, with your fixes yesterday everything looks great again.  If I get 2 or more players that "tie" in this final weekend, is the system going to just do a push like it did in week 16, or is it going to apply some other tie breaking scheme since it's the final weekend?

Currently you have your league set to end on the Super Bowl, not the end of the regular season. In either case, the winner would be determined by the normal tie-breaking procedure, #wins followed by best SOV.

If you decide to let your league run through the Super Bowl, you might want to consider switching back to single pick for the playoffs. Even then, it will be tough since they will have likely used most, if not all of the teams already. Some managers are allowing players to pick the same team again by bumping the related setting from 1 to 2. 

Fred 

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers!"